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As far as playing is concerned,Abilene instruments may play well and some are in use by professionals. However, their resale value is much less than the Elkhart instruments, for reasons explained below. Conn moved to Abilene for the advantage of using local labor who were willing to work for less than the experienced workers in Elkhart. However, the workmanship (assembly, soldering, finishing, and machining) is considered to be of inferior quality in comparison with the Elkhart instruments since the Abilene workers were largely inexperienced and unskilled.

A Conn 8D with a six digit serial number and no letter prefix is not necessarily an Elkhart 8D. When Conn moved to Abilene, Texas they did make horns with six digit serial numbers that drastically overlap the Elkhart numbers.

Most importantly, when Conn moved to Abilene, they discontinued the process of tapering the rotors and cylinders of their rotary valves in order to save time and lower costs in the manufacturing process. If the instrument is marked C.G. USA with no reference to Elkhart Indiana, then it is an Abilene horn. For your information: C.G. Conn moved its production of professional line low brasses to Abilene in August of 1972, (Not 1967 as some incorrect serial number lists indicate.) Erik Siverson Charles Turner, 0:00 น. On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:44:37 -0500, Tjenchew Lee wrote: >I've often heard that Conn 8D horns made between 1967 and 1974 (i.e. Abilene >Horns) are inferior to the regular 8D's.

In what ways are they inferior and >how would they compare with other horns? I have never played one. Some things I've heard said about them are that the quality of their assembly was variable, and that the valve rotors are not tapered. Apparently non tapered rotors, when they wear after some years, are more expensive to repair than tapered rotors.

However, I believe David Jolly plays a Texas 8D; he is a great player so presumably his Texas 8D is a good one. A Texas 8D could be a good buy if one shops carefully.

I think that 1967 date is too early for Texas. My 'L' series was built in Elkhart in 1968. I think the 'M' serial numbers (1970) were the last of this series, so maybe the Texas move occurred for the 1971 models. Tholian, 0:00 น. I have been playing on an Abilene Conn for almost twenty years (bought it new in 1978).

I've stuck with it all this time for several reasons, ranging from not being able to afford anything else in my poverty-stricken student days, to just being a stubborn cuss, to actually liking the thing. Siverson is absolutely correct, though, about the resale value. I will never be able to get out of this horn what I put into it. Eventually, I became very unsatisfied with the performance of the valves and had Lawson replate AND taper the rotors, after which there were no further problems. But it was extremely expensive. I also began to feel limited by poor intonation and a somewhat erratic scale, and a McCracken leadpipe improved these things a great deal. In recent years, I have been plagued by broken braces, and in one case, the 'water' slide (upper l.h.

As you are looking at the front of the horn) fell apart in my hands and had to be rebuilt. This odd behavior, no doubt, is due to the less-than-perfect workmanship. After 19 years, here is what I've found about my Abilene horn.

Advantages: extremely heavy bell able to easily handle ffff dynamics; greater resistance than most Elkhart horns makes it a little easier to play very soft; sound does not tend towards 'tubbiness' and therefore does not offend my colleagues who 'hate' Conns (and there are a lot of those people in the profession); blends well with small brass horns, believe it or not. Disadvantages: wildly uneven intonation until I put the McCracken leadpipe on it; 'slotting' of notes is not the least bit uniform, increasing the difficulty of playing accurately; heaviness/resistance of the horn is a distinct disadvantage for most French music (Ravel Piano Concerto, in particular, is a horror); the horn is simply hard to play, there's no way around it. I have just bought a mint condition N-Series, my first new horn in all this time, and while I will probably keep the Texas horn for certain things, I can already tell that the far superior workmanship of the Elkhart model is going to make it my primary instrument very soon.

My.02, Tholian Domain spelled phonetically to avoid spambots; Make the obvious corrections to email me skb.@aol.com 10/9/2018, 15:16 น.

A few weeks ago, someone in this newsgroup was asking how to interpret Conn serial numbers. I had saved the following items from the horn discusssion list a few months ago and am posting them now. They seem to tell everything you need to know. Peter Macdonald ------- From Thu Jun 15 07: Date: Tue, 04 Oct 94 17:13:21 EDT From: To: Subject: Re: Conn 8D Vintage Rick Lehner wrote, in regards to his 8D: 'It definitely does not have any letters in the serial number.Anyone know approximately how old and where it was made?' I was trying to help a friend of mine figure out a serial number on his 8D, too. His doesn't have the letters in front either, & I know it is an older horn.